S2E3 At What Age Do We Give Up?
About this episode
Shannon and Little Shannon talk about why people stop chasing their goals as they get older and what keeps a dream alive. They share their own low points, repeated failures and lessons, and walk through an Inc.com article on 15 reasons people give up. Listeners come away with practical ideas on failure, discipline, time and staying uncomfortable.
Show notes
Why people settle
- Life can get stuck in the mundane, but a dream that is delayed is not a dream that is dead. The two mention a cheerleader's mom who became a lawyer in her 30s.
- Shannon and Little Shannon say real adulthood arrived for them around age 25, even though they were already married and paying bills.
- Shannon shares his early path: dropping out of high school, joining the military, then many jobs, and finally sales and personal development.
- Little Shannon describes losing her sense of purpose after leaving the workforce to stay at home with the kids.
Low points and hope
- Shannon talks openly about a time he gave up on himself and thought about taking his own life. He says there is always hope and urges anyone in that place to call someone.
- He says life takes a tailspin when hope goes away, which is why the two want to give people hope.
- Little Shannon notes that Shannon went through a real low point and had to retrain his mind.
Highlights from the Inc.com article on 15 reasons people give up
- Fear of being judged for failing. The two say you have not failed until you quit.
- Letting others influence your decisions. They say you are the average of the five people you spend the most time with, and that negativity spreads.
- If a job or environment is toxic, look for a transfer or a different employer.
- Seeing the failure but not the lesson. They compare it to learning to ride a bike.
- Caring about the result more than the process. They say the summit is never final because there is always a next level.
- Lacking discipline, and not giving up short-term rewards for long-term gains.
- Not believing in yourself. Little Shannon describes how her confidence comes from believing what she says.
- Fearing that others will not understand the dream, and hating to be wrong.
- Waiting for a guaranteed path. An imperfect product that ships beats a perfect one that never does.
- Refusing to pivot, with Kodak as the example from a Michael Hyatt podcast.
- Quitting in the valley, when motivation drops about halfway to success.
Stories along the way
- Shannon says he has gone broke three times and describes success as an iceberg, with most of the work hidden below the surface.
- He admits that being comfortable now makes the next level harder.
- The two talk about eye contact, social anxiety and how Shannon's looking away does not mean a lack of confidence.
- They talk about their kids' dreams: Mackenzie wants to be an inventor, and Jordan wants to be an entrepreneur and move abroad at 18. The hosts call themselves a realistic dreamer and a crazy dreamer.
Tips
- Find something you love and use your knowledge and talent to help others.
- Replace the excuse of having no time by looking at where the time goes. A podcast on time management is promised.
- Stay uncomfortable. If you feel no twinge in your gut, it is time to check where you are and where you want to go.
Full transcript
Finish Strong Podcast, season two, episode three. And we've kind of switched on the YOLO concept. It's hard for me to grasp that. It was like, no, we can't do that. We haven't planned for that. And now I'm like, yeah, let's go, let's splurge. And you're like done splurging. We can't do that. And so we take a different role in that. But so I'm not saying by all means, go out and be so adventurous today because you don't know what tomorrow brings. That is true. But still plan for the future, but live your life in happiness. Because so many people get a bad doctor report or just they get a car accident and their whole life changes or they're at work and they get injured. And then what?
You know what I mean? Your whole life gets changed in that moment. And you might not have the capabilities that you have today, tomorrow. Right? Yeah, that's the truth. So live today for a better tomorrow. However, we get stuck in the mundane. All right, I've got as far as I'm going to get. So I'm going to use an example here. And I'm not saying anything bad about this or any profession. I'm just going to use an example. So someone grows up in their mind, they want to be, they're going to be a lawyer when they get up. However, life happens when they get up, when they grow up, they're going to be a lawyer. However, life happens, they end up having to drop out of school because of life.
They get a job, they end up being a mechanic. They like being a mechanic, it pays the bills, everything's great. However, instead of growing, instead of continuing on with that dream, just because that dream did not happen as soon as you wanted it to happen doesn't mean that it cannot happen for you. My wife, she has a cheerleader whose mom just became a lawyer in her 30s. Right? I think she's older than 30. All right, so I think she's in her 30s. She looks great. Right, we're going to go within her 30s, but became a lawyer in older age. And see, here's the point, is just because it didn't happen doesn't mean it cannot happen. Because you have a lot of life to live.
Whether you're 50, 30, 20, 80, you have a lot of life to live. And you never want to stop achieving just because you think that those goals are no longer attainable. It might be harder, you might have to work longer, but who cares? Tomorrow's going to come, so why not fill today with enough so that you're moving closer and closer to your goal each and every day instead of just being okay with the way it is? Yeah, I mean, and not to be judgmental, but I can see that in my own life of how things changed. But even, I'll go to you. As a teenager, you didn't make the choices that you would as an adult. As a teenager, I don't care if you're 18, 19, 20, you're still a kid.
As I get older, I realize that. I used to think, oh, I can't wait till I'm 18, I can make my own money, I can make my own choices, I can do this, I don't have to answer to anybody. You're still a kid. In my eyes now, I look at it, I'm like, I really don't think true grown-up hit me until I was like 25. Even though we were on our own and we were doing things, paying our own bills, we were married, things like that, but the choices, we were just still very, very like... Childish. Childish, yeah. And so even at that, you dropped out of high school. Hey, don't tell people that. You went into... It's a secret. You went into the military and after the military was like job after job after job.
It was like, what are you going to do? I have not kept a job besides the military for more than 18 months. Yeah, and so in some people's eyes, I'm sure your parents were like, what is this kid doing with his life? What is he going to do tomorrow? He's got to be a dad and a husband and he's got to raise his family and be able to support them. And how is he going to do that if he can't stay at a job? There's just so many choices we make even when we're younger. And I know people that did it even younger through high school, so it's like when they got out of high school, they still didn't have that direction of where they were going.
And they might still be in their life now and never change that direction because they feel like they've lost that hope. I don't know. I don't know their story. But for us, thankfully, you started plugging yourself into more positive things. You got into sales, which is very big in the motivational market because you've got to keep yourself up. And like you explained to me, it's like a performance that you have to put on to be in sales and it's exhausting. Excuse me. Over time, you just get so like, no, no, no, or the rejections happen or whatever it is, but you have to overcome rejection.
So you've learned to train your mind and filled it with this knowledge that I don't think a lot of people do. And even for me, my changing point was leaving the workforce and being a stay-at-home mom and was like, I don't know how to do this. I'm not good at it. I lost purpose. And I feel like any time we don't have a purpose, we feel unpurposeful, that's when the decline starts to happen. But it's what you do in that decline is where you're going to end up. That's the truth. And like that entire example that she just gave, it was at some points we gave up on ourselves, yes.
However, at no point did I ever lose sight of the fact that I was going to do great things in this world and that I wasn't dumb or I wasn't a loser, but I was smart and I had something to give and I kept learning and kept striving and kept moving to increase myself, making myself uncomfortable. So I'm going to interrupt you right there because that's not true. There was a very low point where you felt like a complete loser. What am I doing with my life? I'm not a good provider. I mean, you went into the dumps. So that's not all like glamour, like look what I did.
There was a big gap in there that you had to retrain your mind to say, I am created in the image of God for greatness and what am I going to do with my life and reapply yourself. You definitely went through that. I'm glad you took a step back because I like to try to have myself perceived as someone that's on top of it. And the reality is I'm not on top of it. I'm not saying that you're a loser. And the reality is I'm not on top of it. Even today I have my struggles and everything. I'm not perfect and I talk about all my struggles. But the point is during most of my life I've always thought I can do better. I can get better. I can learn more. And I never stopped learning.
Even in my lowest points I never stopped learning. Even at the point where I thought taking my own life was the best option, which it never is, there's always hope. There's always light at the end of the tunnel. So if that's what you're thinking right now, make sure you call someone because I've been through it. I know exactly what you're thinking. But even in those times I was still trying to learn new things and keep going and moving forward. I just thought, you know what? At that time and in that moment, that's what happened. I gave up on myself. So that's the point of where we're at is I gave up on myself.
And when I gave up on myself and when that hope was gone, that's when my life took a tailspin. And that's where most people's lives take a tailspin is when the hope goes away. That's why we say we help give people hope because we know without it bad, bad things happen. So even in my lowest times I had to pull myself up and realize that there is hope, that there is light at the end of the tunnel, and that I can get better and move forward from where I was. So I want to get into a tip. Well, you got something. Yeah, I found an article just because I wanted to bring more into it. And after reading it can really relate to a lot of the points as well.
So it might not be something we've gone through, but you're going through and we kind of want to touch on that. So Inc.com put out a blog, and it's 15 sad reasons people give up on their dreams. And so basically talked about what we've already talked about. It says, one, they fear being judged by those they care about for failing, which I can remember you saying, like, I feel I don't want you to look at me ever as a failure. But what is your motto on failure? You have to fail because without failing you never learn. Failure is absolutely necessary for anyone that wants to be successful. If you do not fail, you do not succeed because each failure is a stepping block towards your success.
The best way to learn is to fail and fall on your face. And you don't fail until you just give up. When you actually stay down and don't learn the lesson is when you actually fail. Right, and like she just said, and that's the end part of it, is you have not failed until you decide to stop, until you decide to quit. quit. That's when you failed. And number two is they give others the power to influence their decisions, which again, we go back to surrounding yourself with positive people. You want to surround yourself with people that have the same visions that you have and where you're going, because if it's constantly around negative people, what's going to happen? Right.
You're the average of the five people you hang around the most. So if your five bestest friends make 60 grand a year, I bet you make right around 60 grand a year. That's why we are we are always trying to level up the type of people that we hang out with. I'm not saying that you just ditch all your friends that aren't making the type of money or living the type of life that you want to live. But I am saying that you need to limit the time you spend with people that aren't in the right mindset. Right. Negativity is what I say is an infectious disease because it will spread rampant. Just I think about any situation you're in, whether you're at work, Jordan at school.
You know, if you're around people that are just not, you know, they hate life. They don't want to be there. Like, move on. Like, move your remove yourself from that situation if you can. And it might take you a little bit. If you've got to go find another job, I've always said that if you're miserable in what you're doing, please listen to me. If you are miserable in what you're doing, find a new job, because why in the world would you get up every day? And I even find people that do that are not making a lot of money. Right. Like it's not like they're leaving the like you hate your job to make ten bucks an hour, right? Like you can go many places and work for ten dollars an hour.
But if McDonald's I'm just not I'm not trying to put them down. But if that atmosphere is toxic to you, either switch McDonald's, ask for a transfer. If it's the company itself and Hobby Lobby is better, go work at Hobby Lobby. You never know the different advancements you could get in a different company. Just in that in general, just don't let that toxic environment infect your life. Truth. And some some people fail once and they never try again. Right. And that's that's really about understanding what failure actually is, because what there's a great image. We got to look it up and put it in the show show notes. There's a great image of an iceberg in the iceberg at the tip.
It says success. But underneath is, you know, this gigantic chunk of ice that's ten times bigger than the actual tip of what is actually called success. And what people don't realize is people will look at me and Shannon and say, oh, you're successful or look at someone who's successful and say, oh, you're successful. But they don't realize all the work, all the sweat, blood, tears, how many times they failed on their face. I've gone broke three times. And when I say broke, I mean lost every single thing that we had practically homeless once had to, you know, get a loan from Shannon's parents to get into a house. I'm talking about gone broke three times. No one sees that.
However, when they fail, they say, oh, this isn't for me. I can't do it. What you got to realize is you fail and say, OK, why did I just fall on my face? What happened? What brought me here? You got to analyze that failure and realize that this is part of it. This is part of going to the next level. Without it, it doesn't happen. And there might come a time where we're growing this business and we fall on our face again. We have to start over. And that terrifies you at this point, but it doesn't mean I just told him yesterday, I don't care. Oh, you lose it all again. I mean, it'll suck, like terribly. I don't want that to happen.
I'm not afraid of it anymore because I know if it happens, we're going to figure out another way to make it better. It might be really hard, but geez, we've done that. We've already done it. So what's the big deal? But I'm going to enjoy my life the way it is right now. Right. So when that failure comes, you've got to get back up and see here. I have a lot of respect. I have a friend named Bobby Malaccio, who is great. Look him up. Had an amazing career and left that career to build his dream. That takes big old cojones. I respect that because if you fall on your face after leaving something like that, that takes courage.
Like right now, we're the most successful that we've ever been in our lives. And it makes me nervous that we lose it all again because I'm like, man, I don't want to lose this because it's taken me so long to build this. And I've finally done it and I don't want to lose it. So it's hard for me to go to the next level because I'm comfortable here in that uncomfortable level for me is very hard right now. And Shannon, I'm blessed to have her is taking me to that next level. Number four is they only see the failure, not the lesson. So we already touched on that. You know, once you fail in your eyes, not understanding that that's the lesson learned to success.
You know, you got to keep moving forward and say, OK, learn from that lesson. I needed to go to the left, not the right. You know, go go from there. Right. When you ride a bike, if you I don't know a person that's gotten on a bike and rode it, you know, they've all fell and skinned their knees. But you learn. Don't tip to the left. Don't tip to the right. Try to stay in the middle. You get that groove. And once you get that groove, you start going. But it takes those failures to figure it out. Well, again, that's a great example from kids. You know, we're trying to teach McKenzie at four, you know, to do things. It's crazy as it is.
The girl's like, I'm not wiping my own butt because that's gross. And I'm like, she's going to have to learn to wipe her own butt. And I know it'll happen. But I don't I don't know. I mean, it could happen. And please don't don't comment to let me know you're one of those people. That's the case. But I truly feel like she's going to learn it because she's not going to be 12, 13, 20 years old, not wiping her butt. Mom, come wipe me. You know, it's just not going to happen. Same thing like kids want to achieve. So they get on their bike and they ride. You know, they fall down. They get back up because they want to achieve it. Where did when does that end for us?
Again, we go back to, you know, number six. They care more about the end result and not the process. We've run into a lot of people in our industry, you know, that are they we got out of a part of the industry because it's like, hey, we're going to teach you how to make, you know, ten thousand dollars in a day. They're not doing it themselves. There's no process to it. They just want that end result of ten thousand dollars a day. Well, you got to work for that. I'm not saying it's unachievable and there's ways to do it, but you can't just be like. Bam. Here you go. And there's no work to it. You just can't. If someone's telling you that they're lying to you, but more about this.
I think it's Gary Vee nails this part of it. It's the journey. The journey is what it's all about, because guess what? Anytime there's a goal. I don't care who you are. You could be a surgeon. But once you hit it, there is more to be achieved. So the summit is never actually ever achieved, especially for those who are high achievers. Once you hit that goal, once you reach that summit, you're now looking up to the next level. And that's what it's about is making sure that you never stop at that at that last goal, making sure that you're looking ahead, saying, OK, now that I'm in the search in the example of a surgeon, OK, I'm a surgeon now. How do I grow my practice?
Once you're growing a practice, how do I expand my practice? How do I become the surgeon in the entire United States that everyone is talking about, that everyone wants to see? You know, it's it's about always taking it to the absolute next level and enjoying the journey, enjoying the process as you are moving through those goals and reaching for the next ones. I'm going to kind of combine both these next two points. They don't learn how to discipline themselves, which is huge, and they don't believe in themselves. So like anything, if you want to achieve, you have to have discipline. You have to put that in.
And this article, I feel like this sentence right here really sums up a lot is you don't see the value in withholding short term rewards for long term gains. Right. You know, this is this is another thing that that Gary Vee taught me. And when I talk about what I've learned in the things that are in my brain, I didn't come up with all of this stuff as myself. So you'll hear me always quoting other people like Zig Ziglar, Gary Vee, Tony Robbins, Brian Tracy, all of these people that have had influence in my life. But Gary Vee is has really helped me, really helped me understand that this is a long term game. This isn't this isn't a sprint. It is a marathon.
And you need to keep your eye on the prize because those two points were me undisciplined and didn't are worthy. And believing in yourself is if you don't believe in yourself, why would anyone else? That's how I look at it. And people, a lot of friends are like, you know, Shannon, you're so confident. You are like, you're the go-getter. Like, this problem has arised, like, you go in and you're like, okay, how do we change it? What do we need to do? What's the first step of action? And believe me, I'm not like that all the time. But the confidence that I'm able to put out there is because I truly believe in myself. You know, I believe in what I'm saying.
Now, if I'm not confident in something, you can be the first one to testify. Like, I become like a big baby head. And I'm like, I'm horrible. I don't know anything. I can't this. And I throw that pity party. And he knows because I do that in our business thinking I need to know everything that he knows. And I need to be able to help him. And he'll tell me all the time, that's not your role. Your role is this and this. And I'm not good at your role. That doesn't mean that I'm going to try and learn it. Like, that's your role. You do your thing, and I'll do my thing. But you have to believe in yourself first and foremost for anybody else to believe in you. Yeah, that's right.
Because if you don't believe in yourself, guess what? People are going to be able to see that. Right. And most people, actually, because of my stature, most people, when they see me, they're like, oh, man, you're full of confidence. I've had one person recently, they're like, I don't know about you. Like, I don't know about your confidence level. And I'm like, screw you. Watch this, sucker. But that comes from just a key point. I will tell you why, another reason why people think that I'm so confident is I make very good eye contact with people. When someone's talking to me, I stay fully engaged in what they're saying.
To me, nothing will turn me off from a conversation when I'm talking to someone and they're doing this. And she's on her phone right now. Oh. Yeah, they can see. No, I'm talking about you. Yeah, like they're looking at their phone, like scrolling through Facebook or like that made me feel very unimportant in that moment. And I just, I quit talking to you. I'm done. And I'll walk away. And I do it to you like that. We don't do electronics at the dinner table. You know, if the kids are eating, whatever it is, because you need to fully engage in someone. And I still fully believe in that. I know technology takes over, but you need to engage in relationship. Relationship is key.
And you have a hard time looking someone straight in the eye, not for any reason of confidence. It's just for what we've kind of learned more now and the different ends of a spectrum that you can be on and social anxieties and things like that. So it kind of takes you in a different place for that. So you'll kind of look over the top of someone or, you know, gaze around or whatever while you're talking where we were just recently in a business meeting. And he's like, man, it's like, was I even a part of that? But the reason why you felt that way is because I just never took my eyes off of that person while they were talking and they felt drawn to keep talking to me because I was listening.
Right. Right. And I listen. However, I've learned to look at people when they go like this. Yeah. And you're like over his shoulder. They're looking like behind him like, what the hell are you staring at? But I have a very hard time. For me, it takes effort to look someone in the eye. And when I'm looking for someone in the eye, it's very, very overwhelming for me. And that's hard to explain, but it's very overwhelming. However, I've learned to try to do it just like now today, looking at you while you're talking and trying to look into the camera while I'm talking. Because if you watch, if you're on the podcast, go watch our live streams.
And a lot of times you'll see me looking to the left over the camera. That's my default when I talk is look to the left over someone's shoulder. Just the way it is. Doesn't mean I'm unconfident. I just have a weird brain. But I'm happy with my brain. I like the way it is. Not that these other points aren't important, but we're going to kind of go through them. Move on. Okay, go ahead. Yeah, just a couple of them. And we'll have this on the notes so you can go to this article and read it as well or share it with someone. But they surround themselves with people who are negative influence. We went over that and what you said. You're the average of...
The five people you spend the most time with. Right. They decide that people won't understand their dream and give up. That's huge. I know we talk about our kids because they have dreams. They have aspirations. I mean, this week, Mackenzie's goal at four is to be an inventor. And when I said, why do you want to be an inventor? And she said, because they get to drive all the boats. And I don't quite know what that means in her world. And I said, how do you know that inventors drive boats? And she said, because I'm really smart. I'm like, you're right. Okay, so inventors drive boats.
And Jordan wants to be an entrepreneur and move to another country when he turns 18 and all these dreams and aspirations. But I have to watch myself with that because as much as I think in my mind, Jordan's a kind of a go-getter when it comes to something he wants. And I'm terrified when he turns 18, he truly is going to follow through that dream. And I have to take myself out of that and say, as sad as what I would be, he's got to live his own life and he has a purpose. And if that's his purpose, I am not going to destroy that dream.
Now, side note, Jordan, as you're listening to this, as your parent, I still have a responsibility to teach you of the fairy tale that you think about this dream and what reality is. Because like you've said in the past, I am a dream crusher, but I'm not. I am a realistic dreamer. Right, I am a crazy dreamer and she likes to crush my dreams. I'm a reality of this is okay, that will work. She's like, Shannon, right now, we cannot buy an $8 million mansion. I'm like, but that's the one I want. No, I can't do it. Or a boat or jet skis or... Well, we could buy a boat and jet skis. We're not doing that. We technically could. We just don't have time to enjoy them.
Right, so it's not worth dream crusher. Done. They'd rather be misunderstood than wrong. I hate being wrong. Oh, my gosh. I hate it. I'm not good. I am not good to be told. If she is wrong, like legitimately wrong, like it's like the world has ended and life as we know it is going to implode on itself. And it's horrible. It's not going to be a bash little Shannon day. But what I have to say is, and this is a really bad quality, and my son has it as well, is our need to justify why we feel how we feel. And that gets us in a lot of trouble because it's not about being wrong in some cases. It's about justifying of why I feel that way. But the problem is she is right 99.99% of the times.
So the one time that she's wrong, we've got to revel in that. Well, anyone else can say, Shannon, you didn't do this right. Let me show you. I mean, I've been through the workforce. I've built my way up into management positions. I know when I'm wrong, I can be told that I'm wrong. You telling me that I'm wrong, I can't take it. She hates it. I don't know what it is. I just don't like it. But I love her. She's amazing. So they don't have a guaranteed path to achieve success, so they stop. And I know a success story and still in that path of it of I need to plan all this stuff out before I even start.
And you're like, you never got started because you got so wrapped up in all of the mundane other stuff that didn't matter. But there was no plan of guarantee that stopped. An unperfect product or service is always going to make you more money or be better than a perfect one that you never release. Yes, very good. And they would rather settle for short-term rewards than work for those long-term goals. They refuse to pivot and adjust. I mean, you got to look at companies that fold all the time because they don't adapt and change their level of success. I mean, we watched or listened to a podcast with Michael Hyatt, and he talked about the company Kodak, right?
I mean, they didn't transition from the film camera into what technology is today. And what happened? They're gone. Well, Kodak's not gone. Well, but it's not what Kodak was. They're not the behemoth that they used to be. Right, exactly. So you got to pivot and adjust. You get bored. People get bored and they're like, I give up on this dream. It's not what I thought it was going to be, which we can't relate to on that. I feel like we're pretty enthralled in whatever we're doing. Oh, yeah. We're exciting people. We're wild and crazy people. And again, you As you get into it, your motivation and your confidence starts to drop.
And once you're about halfway through it, halfway towards success, you think you're a loser and that you'll never be able to accomplish it. And this was the dumbest idea you ever had. And you got to push through that trough, that valley, in order to start coming up on the other side and realize that, yes, you didn't know everything you needed to know, but you're learning everything you need to know. And as you go up and then as you start hitting that success, your confidence, your excitement and all that stuff starts coming up again. So it's when most people quit when they're in that valley, when they're like, this is a dumb idea. I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know how to do it.
I can't get done with it. And they just quit. But it's in that valley where you got to push through and then that confidence will start coming back again. And you'll realize that it was a good idea and that you can do it. You just had to learn more. I wish I can remember that. We're going to get it together. It'll be in the notes. Yeah, it'll be in the notes. Make sure you visit our site and watch that. But it's a great illustration of how it works. And I've seen it in practice where I'm now at that point where I know what I talk about and what I do and what I help businesses do works. And it works like gangbusters.
And anyone that doesn't listen to me, well, you're just not a smart person because I have brought millions of dollars into businesses. True or false? It's true, but that's a different podcast. Right. But the point is, is there was a time where I was like, I was in that bottom going, babe, I don't know if like maybe we should just hang this up. You know, and I was like, no, no, keep on going. So I would say again, we'll share that link from Inc.com with those tips. And for my tip would be find something that you love, you know, find a passion. So when you're passionate about something, it will drive you.
If it's, you know, artistry or music or your business or whatever, even if it's not in the job that's making you money, you have talent, you have knowledge. You know, we've talked to many, many people of you have knowledge inside your head of whether you've gone through something or you've experienced something that can help other people. Start doing it. Don't just think, oh, I wish I could talk to some people about this. Go find the people, find out how you do it. And listen, I struggle with it, too. There's a lot of things I want to be doing that I'm not. But now I have time. That's what I've always said. Like, I don't have no time. I now have time.
So I got to, you know, push myself in that and the accountability. But find something that you love and go for it. All right. So I'm going to close this out with two tips, actually. First on time, it just made me think of this when you said I don't have time is there's going to be a lot of people that are going to use that excuse. And it's an invalid excuse almost 100 percent of the time because and I say because this is what follows. You say I don't have time and I say, well, how was The Walking Dead? And you're like, oh, my gosh, it's great and everything else. Did you watch Talking Dead afterwards? Because that was even better when they were talking about all this stuff.
So that right there is two hours of your time that you spent on something that was not moving you in the right direction. Now, I'm not saying I'm not saying you didn't have time. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying there's a lot of people that will use that excuse. And it's not valid because you you spend your time on what's important to you. And if if moving to the next level and if making something of yourself is important to you, you will find the time. Yes. And we're going to have a podcast strictly on time, time management, how you're applying all of that to your day and what you're filling your day with. And we're you know, some changes that can be made to help out.
I will say with that, Jordan gave me a big tip on one of his friends, moms. That is so great. And I think she's awesome. And he's like, Mom, she has this great big craft room and she makes all this really cool stuff. And you should do it like you should do that, mom. Like you maybe you guys could do it together. And I'm just looking at him going, have you ever seen mommy do crafts? It is not for one. That is huge point. I am not crafty at all, too. I'm like, Jordan, what do you think I do in a day that I have time? Not that that person, but it's a passion, obviously, that she has to do it. And that's great. It's not a passion of mine to sit down and be like, I'm going to crochet today.
God knows what that would even look like if I tried to. But his answer was awesome, though. What's that? His answer was awesome when you said that when you had time. Were you going to go? Was that your punch line? Were you going to talk about what he said to you? No, I don't remember what he said. He goes, well, you could crochet instead of laying in bed looking at Facebook. I said, yeah, Jordan, laying in bed at 945 at night, my 10 minutes of me just closing down and just scrolling through the day of people's memories. Yeah. And he's like, well, instead of doing that, you could start crocheting. That kid. That was so funny. But that illustrates my point. Exactly.
He's a kid and he gets it like, you know, you could. I mean, you spend your time on Facebook doing that. But next is stay uncomfortable. Life begins at the end of your comfort zone. That's an unknown quote, not my quote, but a lot of people know it and quote it. Life begins at the end of your comfort zone. If you are comfortable, you are not moving forward. You are stagnant. You are mundane. You are just living a life and you have to stay uncomfortable because your brain just wants you to stay comfortable. Let me give you an example. Let's say you're like, OK, I make 60 grand a year. That's comfortable for me, but I want to make 75. You get to 75.
That process of going from 60 to 75 is going to be very uncomfortable for you. You're going to have to do things that aren't in your comfort zone to get to that next level. However, once you get to that level, your brain's like, oh, yeah, I like this. This is comfortable. Let's just stay here. Let's just chill. However, what you got to do is make an effort to stay uncomfortable. If you're waking up and you're going through the day and you're not feeling that little twinge in your gut like, oh, is this the right thing? Am I doing the right thing? Am I moving in the right? If you don't feel that in your gut, time to evaluate where you at and where you at. You at, Yo!
It's time to evaluate where you are at in your life and where you need to go to get to the next level. So we have, this has been a long podcast. Well, we had a lot of tips to conan on. We're done. We can't stop. We're done. The podcast has officially been going on so long that we have forgotten how to speak English. All right, let's close out. All right. So thank you guys. Have a fantastic day. However, make sure you visit us at standing stronger.com. That's standing stronger.com. Thankfully, we have an awesome sponsor in staying stronger production saying stronger productions helps doctors leverage technology and the Internet to grow their practices.
They show them how to leverage the KLT authority that no, I can trust authority in order to make their practice, not just a practice, but the practice in their local community. So if you know a doctor, if you are a doctor, if you work for a doctor, make sure they visit standing stronger production, standing stronger productions.com because they are the reason this is possible. And when I say they, that's us. All right. So guys, it's been an awesome time. Thank you. Make sure you subscribe to the podcast that really helps leave a rating, leave a review. If you can give us five stars, that's great.
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And we do know a therapist and she's watching the live stream. So anyway, you guys, it's been great. We're going to end the podcast. Thanks. Have a fantastic day. And as always, hopefully we'll see you on the beaches of the world. I forgot to play the music. You get no music today. Psych. I lied. No music today. We're done. Goodbye. I think that was a good podcast. Yeah, I think so. I think we
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